I’m excited to introduce you to another one of my friends from the Ram Dass retreat. If you haven’t heard about the retreat or Ram Dass yet we talk all about both in this episode. My guest today Jonathan Leland gives a great background of Ram Dass and how he started following his work. Jon, much like Ram Dass is one of the smartest, most fascinating people I’ve ever met. I’ve been excited to have him on the podcast since meeting him. He has such a creative, unique and inquisitive approach to life which comes through in our conversation. Some of you may remember the animal meditations I shared in my past newsletter. These are just one small example of the innovative and inspirational things Jonathan does. We explore topics like community, psychedelics, death, and the inevitable changes of life and learning to re-love every new and changed moment and situation. He beautifully describes this as the ‘dance between change and love’ in life. The whole conversation is so rich and nourishing for the soul. I hope you love it as much as I do.